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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Dave Klingler</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17959</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Klingler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, then I completely missed your point.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, then I completely missed your point.  <img src='http://www.citizensinspace.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Astro1</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17958</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16479487

Even Bas Lastrop acknowledges that human fertility on Mars is unproven. ]]></description>
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<p>Even Bas Lastrop acknowledges that human fertility on Mars is unproven. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Astro1</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17954</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You haven&#039;t read my words. I did not say &quot;humans must live on planets.&quot; Just the opposite. 

Your statement about &quot;Space Studies Institute people&quot; is unintentionally funny. I am a senior advisor to SSI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t read my words. I did not say &#8220;humans must live on planets.&#8221; Just the opposite. </p>
<p>Your statement about &#8220;Space Studies Institute people&#8221; is unintentionally funny. I am a senior advisor to SSI.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Tom Jolly</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17953</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What, exactly, is it that makes you think that humans couldn&#039;t reproduce on Mars (versus any other extraterrestrial environment)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, exactly, is it that makes you think that humans couldn&#8217;t reproduce on Mars (versus any other extraterrestrial environment)?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Astro1</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17952</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you believe or disbelieve is irrelevant. Bob Zubrin&#039;s book is not marketing research. 

Pepsi does not pay billions of dollars for a Superbowl ad. It pays millions of dollars. You are vastly overestimating the value of a logo. 

Pepsi is a youth-oriented brand. You&#039;re proposing a retirement home. You haven&#039;t even looked at the demographics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you believe or disbelieve is irrelevant. Bob Zubrin&#8217;s book is not marketing research. </p>
<p>Pepsi does not pay billions of dollars for a Superbowl ad. It pays millions of dollars. You are vastly overestimating the value of a logo. </p>
<p>Pepsi is a youth-oriented brand. You&#8217;re proposing a retirement home. You haven&#8217;t even looked at the demographics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Tom Jolly</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17949</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 18:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe there has been extensive research on the subject of public and advertising funds for Mars landings; just in the On to Mars book from Apogee (2002), there were at least 7 articles specifically on that subject. I can&#039;t believe that the amount of research in the last 10 years has decreased on this subject, or that Mars-One would go into this project without a business plan that takes into account prior research. Consider that 100 million people watch the Superbowl and commercials were $4 million for a 30 second spot, while 600 million watched the moon landing live. And that&#039;s only a teeny fraction of the money pie (to say nothing of the fact that they could milk the crap out of the entry, landing, first step, habitat building, etc, and spend the money to record it all in 3D format so you could sell it all over again in theaters). What do you think the moon landing footage would be worth if people had been paying a royalty every time the copyrighted clip was rerun on TV?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there has been extensive research on the subject of public and advertising funds for Mars landings; just in the On to Mars book from Apogee (2002), there were at least 7 articles specifically on that subject. I can&#8217;t believe that the amount of research in the last 10 years has decreased on this subject, or that Mars-One would go into this project without a business plan that takes into account prior research. Consider that 100 million people watch the Superbowl and commercials were $4 million for a 30 second spot, while 600 million watched the moon landing live. And that&#8217;s only a teeny fraction of the money pie (to say nothing of the fact that they could milk the crap out of the entry, landing, first step, habitat building, etc, and spend the money to record it all in 3D format so you could sell it all over again in theaters). What do you think the moon landing footage would be worth if people had been paying a royalty every time the copyrighted clip was rerun on TV?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Dave Klingler</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17947</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Klingler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 18:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, no, it is you who completely missed the point.  :)

Your unquestioned assumption, without examination, is that if humans are going to settle in space, they must settle on planets.  In short, you are what Space Studies Institute people call &quot;planet-centric&quot;; because you have always lived on a planet, you imagine that humans must live on planets.

When I rewatched Babylon 5 last year, I noticed something I hadn&#039;t noticed the first time I watched it, that B5 was indeed an O&#039;Neill free-space colony.  Yes, of course, I&#039;d noticed that before, but this time I fully grokked it.  I&#039;d just re-read &quot;The High Frontier&quot; (available for free download, by the way), and I&#039;ve realized how much more advantageous it is to stop assuming that planets are necessary for humanity&#039;s future in space.  In fact, it is easier for humans to settle in space without planets.

Space exploration does not equal space colonization.  I&#039;m all for exploring the planets, but I don&#039;t believe we&#039;ll ever settle on them.  There are more resources floating around off-planet than on the *surfaces* of Earth, the Moon and Mars combined.  There are many disadvantages to planetary colonization, and few advantages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no, it is you who completely missed the point.  <img src='http://www.citizensinspace.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Your unquestioned assumption, without examination, is that if humans are going to settle in space, they must settle on planets.  In short, you are what Space Studies Institute people call &#8220;planet-centric&#8221;; because you have always lived on a planet, you imagine that humans must live on planets.</p>
<p>When I rewatched Babylon 5 last year, I noticed something I hadn&#8217;t noticed the first time I watched it, that B5 was indeed an O&#8217;Neill free-space colony.  Yes, of course, I&#8217;d noticed that before, but this time I fully grokked it.  I&#8217;d just re-read &#8220;The High Frontier&#8221; (available for free download, by the way), and I&#8217;ve realized how much more advantageous it is to stop assuming that planets are necessary for humanity&#8217;s future in space.  In fact, it is easier for humans to settle in space without planets.</p>
<p>Space exploration does not equal space colonization.  I&#8217;m all for exploring the planets, but I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;ll ever settle on them.  There are more resources floating around off-planet than on the *surfaces* of Earth, the Moon and Mars combined.  There are many disadvantages to planetary colonization, and few advantages.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Astro1</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17944</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A retirement home will not ensure the survival of the species. That will only be ensured by going someplace where humans can reproduce.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A retirement home will not ensure the survival of the species. That will only be ensured by going someplace where humans can reproduce.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Dave Klingler</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17943</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Klingler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Importantly, most of the biomedical issues, other than GCR, aren&#039;t present with free-space colonies.  A shirt-sleeve atmosphere and 1G gravity do wonders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Importantly, most of the biomedical issues, other than GCR, aren&#8217;t present with free-space colonies.  A shirt-sleeve atmosphere and 1G gravity do wonders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Tom Jolly</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17941</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Jolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 17:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why do we need to become a multi-planet species?&quot; 

If you don&#039;t care about the eventual extinction of humans on Earth, then we don&#039;t need to. If you do, then you need to realize that Earth is a potential single-point failure for humans, be it from giant asteroids, climate change, pandemic, bad television, or whatever. The Earth has a great track record for making macroscopic species extinct, like 99.9 percent even before humans came on the scene. So it really boils down to whether you think it&#039;s worthwhile to preserve humans as a lifeform in the universe...so far it&#039;s the only technological one we know of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do we need to become a multi-planet species?&#8221; </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t care about the eventual extinction of humans on Earth, then we don&#8217;t need to. If you do, then you need to realize that Earth is a potential single-point failure for humans, be it from giant asteroids, climate change, pandemic, bad television, or whatever. The Earth has a great track record for making macroscopic species extinct, like 99.9 percent even before humans came on the scene. So it really boils down to whether you think it&#8217;s worthwhile to preserve humans as a lifeform in the universe&#8230;so far it&#8217;s the only technological one we know of.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Astro1</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17938</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 17:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And you completely miss the point. 

What is the purpose of spending billions to explore space, if humans are never going to settle there?

You didn&#039;t answer that question, because there is no answer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you completely miss the point. </p>
<p>What is the purpose of spending billions to explore space, if humans are never going to settle there?</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t answer that question, because there is no answer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mars One: What&#8217;s the Point? by Dave Klingler</title>
		<link>http://www.citizensinspace.org/2013/05/mars-one-whats-the-point/#comment-17937</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Klingler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 17:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Babylon 5 took place inside a cylinder and its inhabitants enjoyed 1G gravity, light years from Earth.  Strangely enough, although some Babylon 5 episodes took place on Mars, the gravitational pull of the planet had somehow increased.  Other planets in Babylon 5 also had 1G gravity.

B5, Star Trek and other science fiction generally show 1G gravity on other planets to avoid the complication of attempting to portray what life would be like without it.  In reality, humans would do well to avoid being &quot;multi-planet&quot; to spread throughout the solar system; there may not be any payoff for living in a gravity well if we can create our own real estate with a spinning colony.  Operations would be cheaper, the atmosphere would be what we want it to be, and the weather would be predictable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babylon 5 took place inside a cylinder and its inhabitants enjoyed 1G gravity, light years from Earth.  Strangely enough, although some Babylon 5 episodes took place on Mars, the gravitational pull of the planet had somehow increased.  Other planets in Babylon 5 also had 1G gravity.</p>
<p>B5, Star Trek and other science fiction generally show 1G gravity on other planets to avoid the complication of attempting to portray what life would be like without it.  In reality, humans would do well to avoid being &#8220;multi-planet&#8221; to spread throughout the solar system; there may not be any payoff for living in a gravity well if we can create our own real estate with a spinning colony.  Operations would be cheaper, the atmosphere would be what we want it to be, and the weather would be predictable.</p>
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